>> you could say paul ryan is younger, has more passion, has more energy. you could say joe biden is more experienced, 36 years in the senate, the sitting vice president, he's been on this stage before. biden on paper has more experience at this. ryan says he's outgunned. we will see how it goes. americans pick presidents, not vice presidents. rare can you go back in history and find a game-changing vice presidential debate. you mentioned governor romney does have some debate right now. the republican base is energized right now, so this is how his campaign views this. paul ryan can continue that momentum or he can do something that chokes off that momentum. >> there was a lot of pressure in 2008 when biden was going against palin and he had to come off as not being condescending, not seeming sort of dismissive of her. it's a very different dynamic. >> yeah. he didn't want to appear patronizing at all during that debate. he had to really watch himself, and he's told me since then that that was sort of the hardest thing for him to do. he doesn't have any of